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I gave Venus to the Pisces because of the notion of bond within the symbol, and because Venus to me isn’t real love but territoriality, belonging and bonding. In such cases a tropical astrologer would have to think about how the appearance of the star itself might inform its benefic or malefic nature, somewhat divorced in a sense from its position within that constellation. Vedic astrology today favors the emphasis of the ascendant and the Moon over the Sun as well. It goes with the first inner house, the uninterrupted owned feeling of the self, the ego and inner energy. In some sense, one is eternal and regularly recurring, the other is incidental and ephemeral. A lot of the lore surrounding particular stars revolves around their position within a constellation. Inside, the tropical Virgo feels unsure, she’s in pain when she sees herself natural in the mirror and takes time to arrange herself… She wants to be exemplar so everyone only has to look at her, how she transmutes her inner pain into beauty… She will transmute his pains into teachings. So it doesn’t matter if you use the sidereal or tropical zodiac because you might as well be divining the skidmarks in a toilet bowl and it would be equally valid as a divinatory tool. From the perspective of the tropical zodiac, the stars gradually advance through the solar-derived signs. He answered all my questions with the utmost kindness and respect, and went above and beyond in addressing my concerns in the most helpful way. So here’s my proposal. Since the Earth-Sun relationship is very stable, leading to a tropical zodiac with definitive beginnings and endings that can remain constant for as long as the Earth spins, so too does it represent things which are archetypally unchanging or eternal about life on Earth. Very accurate description of my past and my future goals, fascinating discussion overall. Astrologer:…. Under the tropical Gemini lies the Taurus. Ask questions, study jyotish and interact with hundreds of people in the LOVA Forum. This video is for Sidereal Leo - Simha Rashi - people, ergo anyone with Western placements in between circa 24 degrees Leo to 24 degrees Virgo. If you want to get the exact position of the planet down to the minute then get out a calculator and calculate the exact ayanamsha of the year and month you were born. His ability to discern multiple levels of information and layer them within the context of the the individual is amazing. There is a heavy debate over whether the sidereal or tropical system is more accurate. Also he's as funny as his blogs! In Vedic or sidereal astrology the calculation of the Sun passing through the 1st degree of Aries is marked by the Sun passing through the actual observable fixed stars making up the constellation Aries and has nothing to do with the seasons. I've appreciated his bluntness and honesty regarding unfavorable placements, his insight into the areas of life in which they fall and his imput on the brighter side of my chart. Under the tropical Scorpio lies the Libra constellation (gonna tell a lot about it, I’m “Scorpio/Libra”)… and Uranus. After a long period of axial precession, they’ve tried to make it work, they’ve gone to counseling, they’ve tried reigniting that old spark, but it’s undeniable that they’ve drifted apart. I highly recommend Patrick. So I learned physics/metaphysics from Ken Wheeler. Patrick is a master at chart readings. For example, if a planet is at 11 degrees Gemini then add 7 degrees and go back to Taurus. In general the principle I’m following is that sidereal reasoning should be used for the sidereal zodiac and tropical reasoning should be used for the tropical zodiac. Rao Interview: The Value of Research. Overall, I couldn't have been more satisfied than this. God made no mistakes there! Sidereal Virgo feels ready to face the rain and accept it as it is… Tropical translation will be the Libra, ok to pair with anyone ok to follow anyone’s adventures. “My Equilibrian Sun is making an out-of-sign conjunction to my Mortalian Moon by 3 degrees”. However, if you asked someone in India “what’s your sign?” they would likely assume you mean their Moon sign, since Vedic astrology is a Moon-based system and it’s primary predictive systems are based on the Moon. But it’s an illusion. For this reason, I really have a grudge against this energy when it’s not come to consciousness), the Scorpio/Ophiuchus zone. The question is what sign constellation do you assign to the planets? “Sider” means “star” and therefore sidereal astrology is based on the actual astronomical positions of the planets against the backdrop of the fixed star constellations. That’s how tropical Capricorn reach higher positions. So, similar to the tropical zodiac which derives its sign characteristics from abstractions about the Earth-Sun relationship, each sign of a galactically-aligned zodiac would have to have abstract natures independent of the incidental appearance of constellations within them, and I’m not sure what that would look like. The exclusively divinatory view of astrology is problematic for the technical aspects and real world application of astrology, and it pisses on the legacy of ancient skywatchers who toiled to make sense of cosmic mechanics and who first noticed the phases of the wandering stars correlating with events on Earth. My mother is Ophi, and you don’t want to know how good I know this sign and its failures. If you’re a sidereal astrologer, then go right ahead with the lion analogies, but just keep in mind that the constellation has an expiration date. :]. But here again it’s powered by the slowness of the Saturnine Cancer inside, and the lack of consideration for the others, since from inside the shell it’s quite impossible to feel what’s outside. You have got a weighing machine trying to maintain a state as long as possible. Yet always walking forwards without any return has got something of a selfish and lonely apparent saturnine attitude but it’s efficient. I'm. I couldn’t have asked for a better astrologer to read my chart! That’s for sure. according to Robert Hand’s “On the Invariance of the Tropical Zodiac”, A Solution To The Tropical Zodiac’s H̶e̶m̶o̶r̶r̶h̶o̶i̶d̶s̶ Hemisphere Problem, The Astrology of Pumpkin Spice Lattes (Yes, Seriously). This reminds me in some ways of the debate in music over fixed do and movable do. zodiacal releasing. What if we took this a step further? He is quite gifted and can do many types of readings. However, even thousands of years into the future, the tropical zodiac will remain tied to the Earth’s relationship to the Sun. Under the Capricorn, the constellation of the Sagittarius (The one i love so much), the freshly new born man carrying the strong, inexhaustible energy of the sun, the unconditional love you “MUST” have for a newborn. hope to power through what is currently a difficult period. This mathematical difference between the sidereal and the tropical zodiacs is called the “ayanamsha” in Sanskrit. In 1954 the Lahiri ayanamsha was given the stamp of approval by the government of India. This makes some sense due to the relative vantage points in terms of distance. Isn’t one enough? Of these, the most widely used ayanamsha by Vedic astrologers worldwide is the Lahiri ayanamsha, also called the the Chitrapaksha ayanamsha. Sight-singing with a fixed do allows you to use your voice more like a keyboard, with each note corresponding to a particular syllable regardless of the key. The oppressing Pluto is what I call leader of the Chakra 0 (the one that is located outside your body just under your asshole, pulling shit out of you with this oppressive feeling you’ve got to go or else you shit your pants (even if the rectum observes Uranian tension/release moves, if you got Diarrhea, that’s Pluto behind). I had an amazing consultation with Patrick and his reading truly resonated with me. If tropical astrology is like an output channel, sidereal is the inner path energy is following before flowing out into manifestation. From this we can get the twelve zodiac positions, the galactic center (Milky Way, river of heaven). I really agree astrology needs some freshening up. Characteristics of signs based on their constellational images belong to the sidereal zodiac. From the outside, coping with a Scorpio, you are at risk at any time, without justification to receive a sudden unexpected amount of more or less pleasant “truths” about yourself. Sidereal and tropical are terms used to describe two different definitions of a year. If you’re studying astrology, you’ll get a reading and a lesson for the price of one. Inside, the need of the inner Sagittarius is to always go forwards, like the sun, never retrograde. Vedic or sidereal astrology calculated the the Sun at 6 degrees 03 minutes of Pisces at the Spring equinox in 2003. ), This was an interesting, insightful reading with one of today’s leading practitioners of ancient Hellenistic. The intersection of the circles of the Same and the Other shows the intersection of what is archetypally incidental and recurring. He also helped me realize how my passions and interests appear in my chart, and gave me advice on how to anticipate incorporating passion/purpose and find a career. Under the tropical Aries lies the Pisces. Gemini is said to talk to everyone to communicate superficially. This is why I think Western astrology makes sense even though it uses a symbolic zodiac. Tropical vs Sidereal astrology: Why both work !!! I highly recommend him to anyone considering a reading, I set up a consultation with Patrick hoping to understand parts of my life better … but I left with vastly more. You will find those people love alcohol and drugs, why??? Those inner needs to be the “host”, the “king of the party surrounded by his court” will be translated outside by this motherly surrounding attitude described when astrologers talk about Cancer. It’s “As Above/So Below” not “As Above for a Time and Place/So Below for a Different Time and Place “. Got questions about career, health, relationships, etc? One common perception of tropical vs sidereal is that tropical changes, because it shifts relative to the stars, while sidereal is a fixed frame of reference because it’s based on the fixed stars. I stumbled on one of Patrick Watson’s videos about a year ago, and even though astrology is one of my long-running. Many astrologers missed the fact that many luminaries just jumped over the “River of Heaven” Pluto crossed the top of the cross while the Sun Just Transited Eris (persephone, isis, madonna, etc) at near zero point Aries as of this comment. That’s why I gave it the 9th inner house of visibility teaching exemplarity and representation. Beside this energy being strong, you’ll find a lot of those people (having ASC or SUN there) have strong healthy well shaped bodies, of course as to me, it’s just with Ophiuchus, the most powerful sign of the zodiac. There’s no middle within them, only alternance. However for this distinction to really work, it would be helpful for the zodiacs to be formally distinguished. Humans in our modern form have been around the past 200,000 years. Under the Sagittarius (beware if you are defining yourself as a Ophiuchus you’re gonna like it, if you define yourself as a tropical Sagittarius it’s gonna be tough for you. I was hooked - watched the videos, read the blog; all of which I found all to be super interesting and in my opinion pretty funny. Without this understanding it’s easy to think that one system is superior or inferior to the other and disregard their respective places in the world of astrology. I have great confidence in the result of his work on my chart as it speaks to the events in my life and who I am.

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