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serbu super shorty vs mossberg shockwave

You’d have to file a Form 1 to turn it into an SBS if you wanted to chop the barrel down under 18.5″…. Now you may be thinking, “Oh I’ll just attach a longer barrel and then a stock.” Well, you wouldn’t be breaking any laws, but you would be changing the status of your firearm. Springfield Armory Introduces XD-M Elite 3.8″ Compact. None of it makes any sense anyway. Theoretically if you have a long grip of some kind on this firearm and the barrel could be even shorter. I’m not sure how much of the cost is related to NFA expenses and whether there are additional hoops, taxes, etc as a manufacturer in addition to the excise taxes and such that apply to normal firearms…. Wouldn’t that vertical foregrip and a long Saiga magazine interfere with each other when you tried to pump it? In the video, the gun is also fired with a stock. If one of these crosses the border into California we might fall into the sea. Maybe do some one handed personal clay throwing. If I had a task of making this perfect, I’d ditch the pump and just make it double barrel (or triple… or quadruple… when barrels are this short the extra weight is not that big), so that you can unload it as fast as semi-auto. Does anybody make a Model 37 action that comes as a pistol-grip only shotgun? Where Serbu really comes in and makes functional changes is to the forend and action bars. (v) An unconventional pistol, as prohibited by Section 31500. At 7 yards, birdshot escaped the sides of the torso silhouette, but not by much. And FWIW the Taurus Judge and S&W Governor, btw, aren’t AOWs or SBSs because they both have rifled barrels and can fire normal, single-projectile cartridges. but the below section of PC exempts those that are AOWs that are properly registered. When I say the words 12 gauge, you probably think shotgun. You could make it as an AOW and avoid the SBS tax stamp. Sometimes you just want a fun gun, and these 12 gauge firearms are a literal blast. Needs large durable slings for wrapping around the back/neck to support the weight of one in each hand. Better yet, make it bullpup. they are a licensed 07 manufacturer with an SOT. It is, however, nearly perfect in this role. Barrel Length: 6.5″ to 13.75″ I’m still looking for someone to order it for me. Ooh! A gun with a stock is always easier to fire than one without. Low recoil buckshot is what I recommend to my customers. Reliability: * * * *  So maybe it’s the short barrel and maybe it’s a larger ID (I didn’t measure), but it damn sure spreads out fast. Which makes sense in the Czech Republic where the bad guys are unlikely to pack heat. Another thing to ponder, would you want to leave this thing laying around with the gun cocked, and a round in the chamber? If Serbu makes an Ithaca shorty, it’d be able to hold five of those mini shells and that’s five shots of pretty formidable firepower when the whole package is taken into account. But several states have blanket bans on SBS. The only real draw back to a break action shotgun is that once you’ve fired your 2-3 shots you have to break it to reload. I put a Speedfeed Birdshead grip on it, didn’t even shoot it once with the same wrist breaker grip that comes on the Serbu as I knew better. And as an freak give me 3,5 inch magnum option, http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/271/698/97e.gif. yes, it is a CA-defined SBS, but as a federally-registered AOW, it is exempt from CA’s SBS law. This is the shortest shotgun on the market version, but they will make it longer at your request and the capacity goes up accordingly. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but part of Serbu’s price includes the $200 that THEY have to pay ATF for actually MAKING the gun an AOW, which is of course passed on to the consumer. Three shots without having to work a pump. they pay $1000/year for the SOT and therefore do not have to pay a tax to make each AOW on a Form 2. transfers from Serbu to the end-buyer incur a $5 tax on a Form 4. Wish I’d bought one way back when they were around $600ish. If you really wanted to you could probably order it with a stock instead, which would make it an SBS ($200 tax). The stockless pistol grip shotgun, imho, is strictly limited to close, house or tent, range for self defense. In reality… there’s no true soft with the Serbu… just gradations of discomfort. The 6.5″ barrel makes for a great shot spread from almost point blank out to 7 yards. Still would want another 3″ added to the business end, giving you a true 3 round capacity. I think the only was to get a “Howdah” gun. They don’t necessarily need to serve a purpose. And if you could do that without xtra hoops to jump thru other than buying the gun, really cool. If a gun that just so happens to be patterned after a traditional shotgun like the 870 or 590 and has never had a stock it is not a shotgun. The plastic is hard and slick, and the shape manages to direct all of the recoil force into the web of your hand and the meaty part of your thumb there. The fact it’s a Mossberg 590 platform means I can also customize it to my heart’s content. Headlight and super shorty. I think that’s key to why these aren’t classified as short-barreled shotguns, but rather as AOWs. The pattern on the Serbu probably opens up quicker than mine since it is a shorter barrel. prohibited by Section 33215. Ergonomics: * * * Yeah, the stamp is only $5, but still that means your into the gun for over $1,000. Gone is the standard, horizontal grip and in its place is a vertical foregrip. Something similar to the COP derringer would be nice. able to contact them via phone or email over past six months. Get the best of both worlds; A sawn off Chiappa triple threat. Don’t know if it’s ridged, collapsible, or folding. At least it’s only a $5 stamp. Yeah Vern-a Judge or a Governor with a 6″ barrel…, I see S&W governor does not have a 6″ barrel-so just the 6 and half inch Taurus…. Flipping the grip from folded to vertical orientation is simple and rapid, requiring nothing more than rotating it downwards until it clicks. Looks fun, but a toy with no practical use. Overall: * * * *  Built from either a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870 that started life with a pistol grip, the S-S is considered an “Any Other Weapon” (AOW) under NFA law, meaning a $5 tax stamp instead of $200 as with other NFA items. Well, there would be hoops. Wait, these are made here in Tampa? The could have added another 3″ to the barrel and tube to get the capacity up to 4 rounds. I put 75 rounds of this birdshot through the S-S in one sitting and my hands were still mostly functional. I have a 6″ barrel Judge which I intend to open carry on January 1, 2016… because I can (then). Customization: * * * * After having some delivery problems with Serbu, a client mentioned Safety Harbor Firearms (SHF). I locked my elbow and pulled forwards on that vertical foregrip as much as possible. With one of the 590 Shockwave and Tac 14 barrel length is not actually a concern. But that’s inflation for you. The Remington Tac 14 and 590 Shockwave are an interesting development in the firearms industry and are proving to be quite popular. I operate my FFL business online, at gun shows and operations in several states. The best example is the Serbu Super Shorty series of 12 gauges. Especially my reloads, which are pretty light since they’re usually just run through an over/under for sporting clays and introducing new shooters to shotguns. In a way it is, but it’s basically a catch all term for guns that falls outside of the normal classifications. First if you attach a stock while the weapon has a 14 inch barrel it becomes an unregistered SBS. ... To be honest A shockwave or serbu super shorty would be better, but still. Birdshot was fine. Yeah, that’d be a good reason. Mine holds 4+1 so it is a bit more practical, albeit it is also slightly longer than the Serbu. A Super-Shorty is both an unconventional pistol and an SBS in CA. At short distances, it’s Feinstein’s nightmare come true of a gun that can be shot from the hip and put lead on target. I guess if you’re into robbing banks…. Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-618), as amended, and the regulations If it comes from the factory with a stock on it, you’d be stuck making it into an SBS (and adding the $200 tax stamp to the price). Needs to be at least… the very least… semi-automatic. Three of my more popular buys have been for AOW shotguns- the short types made by both Serbu (the "Super-Shorty") and by Safety Harbor Firearms (the "KEG-12"). To me, the recoil is negligible as the birdshead lets the recoil slide it through your hand a bit. With one of the 590 Shockwave and Tac 14 barrel length is not actually a concern. Your email address will not be published. Forget the bird shot. Why the repeated trope about the short barrel enlarging the pattern? I’ve known about the Serbu for some time, and they seem pretty neat guns. A pump can be kept topped off so long as you don’t shoot dry. Reproduction in whole or in part without permission is prohibited. Now that is the thing about which I am talking! I’d actually practice with it. They fall into the AOW class because they are under 26 inches in overall length. Much to my surprise, the max dram #4 buckshot from S-S wasn’t so bad, either. I own a slightly different AOW, also Rem 870-based with a 12″ barrel. All of the NFA regs and hoops apply, except an AOW is only a $5 tax stamp. Prefer Center Target or to take a drive out of town. AOWs are allowed with a stamp. The Pachmayr Vindicator Presentation grip helps absorb some of the brutality. Because of this, the SUPER-SHORTY is considered an AOW (Any Other Weapon). It was quite the surprise that shooting buckshot was comfortable and easy to do. There’s another neat hack along these lines: you take a not-shotgun-according-to-ATF shotgun (the one that was manufactured with a pistol grip), put the Raptor bird’s head grip on it, and then trim the barrel down to 14″. Bet you also didn’t know that you can legally own an SBS or SBR in California, but the catch is they have to be C&R, which means that they were NFA registered at least 50 years ago. What isn’t so comfortable is the included pistol grip. You need pellets heavy enough to penetrate to vital organs or slugs. $500ish What am I missing? issued pursuant thereto. A fire-breathing, midget dragon that just might have some practical purpose as well. In contrast, in federal law, a shotgun must have a stock (“designed to be fired from the shoulder”). Many products featured on this site were editorially chosen. How does AOW classification on the federal level exempt it? The new Mossberg 590 Shockwave and Remington Tac 14 both fall into this firearms category. I can attest to the shittiness of that pistol grip. Did Mossberg ever release a 590 SBS in a length other than 14"?? “any other weapon” as defined in subsection (e) of Section 5845 of Especially a pump. Does anyone make anything like this in a 410, or anything for that matter for personal defense or ??? I dunno…with only 2+1 capacity, I’ll rather just stick with a sawn-off double.

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