armi san marco 1858 remington replica
Colt .36 with 21 grains. Today, we know Old Number 21478 as the Remington 1858 . Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. Any rifle, pistol or shotgun made prior to that majic date is paper free. Perfect for display and target shooting. BORE IS VERY GOOD 44 Caliber; 75% blue, good bore, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN GOOD CONDITION. One reason is I am new to bp and have no one to ask for help. I boil all my cylinders in a saucepan, and pour boiling water through the barrels of the guns. I have been cleaning black powder revolvers for almost 50 years. 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored thereof. For the first 50 rounds the cylinder was very tight and a pain in the butt to fit in and out of the frame, but it is broken in and now I can change it with ease, but Im still not as fast as Clint in Pale rider. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & 1873 Rifle Manual. . Sounds like the name of a shady character lurking in the wisteria of some Flannery OConnor story, doesnt it? The rifle is the best looking gun in my collection, even better than my Henry. My advice is to buy the gun and cylinder, forget that the combination will cost about the same as a modern revolver and enjoy the heck out of it. The Tom Selleck Western (from a Louis Lamour book) crossfire trail, the last scene has a virtual plethora of late 1800 iron in use by both the good and bad guys. In my experience, the fit and finish of the Italian replicas is not so much who makes them as who imports them and sells them in the US. with only two hands, juggle the fresh loaded cylnder onto the Arbor Pin, replace the barrel, and drive home the wedge, (Bearing in mind that ones horse might be objecting quite strenuously to all the Booms, Bangs, cracks, and the whine of Shells going past hie ears!. 1866 Rifle Manual. It is the reciever/frame of any gun that is the controlled part, basically the receiver or frame IS the gun, legally. CASE HARDENED RECEIVER. For shooting comfortable loads for target shooting I use 20g black-powder followed with 20g of Cream of Wheat then the ball and finally the lard-beeswax. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. Its trigger was lightened for target use, so its ridiculously easy to fire. Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. swap out ok between the same model like the 1860 Army? In the original box serial numbered to the gun. Bought both of mine mail order from Cabelas. WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. What are those little balls for? (They are still remarkably cheap in both .25 and 32-20, but good luck if you lose the magazine.) To avoid the dreaded chain fire, find caps that fit tightly on your nipples. Easier to load and clean. Only Fordyce was very real born in Massachusetts and died in Connecticut. It can eat load of 40 grains all day. A quick look netted this info from a CAS City post: ASM was one of the first Italian manufacturers back in 1960 along with Uberti. Armi San Marco took some bad rep. toward the end of the Companys run. I now buy all of my replicas from one distributor EMF Company. Exc condition, appears unfired. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. I do have to give credit to ASM for the fact that most of their reproductions were historically correct. Drones are easy to hack or shoot down. Grips show some 36 Caliber; 90% blue, very good bore, very good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Navy Arms Model 1861 Navy six shot .36 caliber black powder revolver, made by Uberti. .44 Cal percussion. Blue in very good 44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. Thanks for giving some info on the handgun side of the black powder world. Used, showing light wear and handling, turn line on cylinder. This version features improved accuracy. The cylinder! My Command Sergeant Major made me promise to shoot it and not just keep it in my safe. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52776. Model: 1858. Also, ASM use forged frames instead of castings on many of their revolvers.Replica Arms of El Paso, TX was started by L.F. Allen. what ever happen to "army san marcos" guns ? It could not be made to run. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it.. These are considered antiques and not subject to paper work. All of the Pietta replicas I have are fantastic, and they were all sourced from the same supplier (see last paragraph). They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. Turned out the Chaparral "factory" was just across the street and run by the gun shop's son . First load powder, then press ball. Thanks Dan. Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. Pour boiling water down the barrel, than put a couple of dry patches down there, and your bore will be like the detergent advert! It just looks cooler (IMO) than the navy, walker, or dragoon. He took the gun back. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. The Cleanest Clean Its Ever Been! I wipe off the parts of the frame with a water dampened rag, to get fouling off the frame, hammer, and the slot in the recoil shield whre the hammer goes through to strike the cap, then use a lightly oiled rag to go over the same places! See 18 U.S.C. re-grease, assemble, and go shoot for another year! I am not convinced about black powder handguns for deer hunting. Yesterday i shot my 1858 Remington 44 cap and ball that was my great grandfathers service revolver that he carried in the Civil War.He fought in Bull run the second Manassas battle and them on to Gettysburg His name was Thomas H Bourke. But to me, it just seems that a black powder gun pushing a round ball does not have the ballistics to routinely be lethal on a whitetail deer. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. Pietta "1858" CCH Hammer with lowered Spur by Ol' #4 30.00 + 2.75 shipping via USPS Selling as a set: Pietta Hammer, Trigger, Hand w/spring, Bolt/Trigger Spring and Hammer Spring 23.00 shipped. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. For an 1858, the standard Remington caps will work brilliantly. The cylinders are pricey, it cost as much as the gun, but I have gotten over the price and enjoy the heck out of shooting and reloading 45s. I would advise ANYONE beginning Black Powder Revolver Shooting, do NOT ever buy the Colt Style Guns, and steer WELL AWAY, from any Cap &Ball Revolver that has a Brass Frame! The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. It was Assistant District Attorney Ben Stone that shot LaHood. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL Rolling Once a year I strip them right down to the last screw, wipe the mixture of oil and black powder residue off them,(Never found any rust!) And you thought the New York reload was a modern invention? WebArmi San Marco ASM 2nd Model Dragoon ASM 1847 Walker ASM 1849 Pocket ASM 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1858 1863 pocket ASM 1860 Army ASM 1861 Navy ASM 1862 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1873 Single Action ASM 1892 Categories Armi San Marco Beretta Pedersoli Uberti Pietta Armi Sport [Chiappa] IAB [Pedretti] Sharps KIRST Take that, and cross reference it the list below. Colt's have firing pin/recoil bushing and hardened pressed in bolt cams. I suggest going to the local gun shop and ask if there are any cowboy action shooters around. 1873 Single Action Manual. THE BLUING IS NEAR FLAWLESS. Jim, you mentioned the Ruger Old Army , 44 cal. If you want to make a guy worth killing, this should do it. Plain walnut grips. Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. I shoot both of them and they are a hoot. Frankly, I like the 45LC version better. I send one of their revolvers back after opening it. Bullshit!!! Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. Get an UpLula magazine loader. This was a very common happening in the field. Claimed copyright infringement. The nature of the weapon makes no difference; one is just as deadly, and in the same way as the other. Ramrod present. The safety notch feature makes it easy to safely carry a fully-loaded 1858 Remington. Mmmmmmlightly-grilled, corn-fed Bambis mother backstrap.mmmmmmm. Its parts will interchange with all 3 of my Colt 2nd Gen 1851, except the barrel (the pins at the front of the frame are placed differently). gens. Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). 1876 Rifle Manual. I use the same 452s in my bps that my wife uses in her .45 acp both 452s with the ring shear it is still .450. A few years ago the trigger just wore out. I had the same problem. FRONT SIGHT IS MISSING. Someone asked why they are called .44s if they take a .452 or .454 ball. View more auctions here. Web* Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858, .44 cal, s/n 61367, black powder revolver. Black powder works best when it is compressed. Although original 1858s were finished in a very uniform blue, I particularly like the color-case hardening on the frame and the plain-jane, oil-finished grips. Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. It was so bad, I did something I have never done before, or sinse; I had an action job done. Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 I have a Uberti 1847 Walker. How consistent are Uberti cap and ball revolver parts? The strong top-strap design, the ease of swapping cylinders and the safety notches are all reasons why so many modern cap-and-ball shooters still turn to Fordyce Beals design. No. Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. Me too. Then you must like AWA Peacekeepers (made by Armi San Marco), right? But, since he doesn't shoot "cowboy" any more it's part of my backup pair to my main Colt guns). The 1858 is the modern name for the Remington New Model Army/Navy revolvers, which were introduced circa 1863. In the case of unfinished recievers, like when you buy a flat pressed AK reciever in the mail, it becomes a firearm for the purposes of the ATF as soon as one puts the first bend in it (at least thats the criteria for a prohibited person case to be made, such as a felon) Buying a conversion cylinder would be exactly the same boat legally, as ordering up a mil spec conversion kit for a semi-auto AK, its legal to have, legal to buy, legal to sell, but completely illegal to install. I have a used stainless Army San Paolo 1858 Remington that I got off Gunbroker several years ago and still havent fired it. Shooting, Reading, Riding my Horses, Maintaining my Ranch, Conversing With Friends and Family, Fixing Guns, (good) Old Western Movies, CAS, guns and shooting, guitar, reading, writing, CAS, shooting of any kind, music, baseball, THINGS THAT GO BANG! In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why it broke due to stress risers from the poorly finished part). .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & I know we are here because our forefathers were able to bring down food with primitive firearms. We recently got our reader-responsive electronic monitoring and drone surveillance program up and running. I HAVE A 1858 44CAL. One of these has been on my list of stuff to get for a long, long time. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. Chiappa (I visited them too) it a totally different story, rather "big" factory. I am planning on getting one for my Grandson and maybe one for my Granddaughter. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Also on the note of black powder, someone with a lesser felony conviction can own a black powder gun as long as the magazine cannot be altered to fire High power center fire ammunition (45-70 and .45 colt cowboy rounds do not apply). THINNING VISIBLE ON BARREL NEAR MUZZLE. Same here, EMF Hartford 45s, circa 95-96. 1873 Single Action Manual. Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. hikin PCT ,shooting steel bandits .TRAINS, shooting, hunting, fishing, blacksmithing. 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Any you can look our website about turbo http://www.j2fastmotorsports.com/. Fine review with everything that makes a gun review great: guns, history and guns. None other than William Buffalo Bill Cody wrote of his old 1858 Remington, It never failed me. If you had a few briefcases full of C-notes sitting around last summer, you could have bid on Buffalo Bills 1858 Remington, along with his hand-written note extolling the virtues of Beals revolver. WOODEN GRIPS ARE 44 Caliber; 95% blue, near mint bore, near mint grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1858 NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN NEAR MINT CONDITION. DO use a stout load. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. Got a pair of Ubertis, one stainless and one blue (Thunder and Lightning). I noticed in the latest Taylors catalog that they are also using the name Armi in, front of the Chiappa name in that catalog. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. What size/type primers are best? Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. Java, from Plymouth MA. But, since we don't spin in SASS, it's not a problem I worry about. The one who makes a career of it will begin to stick out like a sore thumb, before long just based on the volume of questionable facts he spouts. Personally, I think hes nutso! Barrel: 12 inch Grips in very good condition, brass trigger guard 44 Caliber; 94% blue, very good bore, good grips, 9'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A COLT 1847 WALKER PERCUSSION REVOLVER. BRASS RECEIVER AND TRIGGER GUARD / GRIP FRAME ASSEMBLY. THE BLUING SHOWS A FEW LIGHT SCRATCES AND DINGS BUT IS VERY NICE. 1876 Rifle Manual. They supplied American retailers with replica firearms over the 1960s thru 1990s. Type: Revolver. The only real lemon was an ASM. I will probably get a short-barreled Sheriff model later this year. This may provoke howls of outrage, but whitetails with a scoped .243 or .308 is not hunting. The book calls for using 3Fg, on the can it will read as FFFg. Have fun. He would also GIVE to Government Officials, very fine engraved Pistols, beautifully engraved with Silver of Gold, to U.S. I might be wrong about this! I know! Watch Cabelas.com or Cabelas stores ( if you have one close to you) Bluing shows wear and scratches overall with a turn ring and wear to the notches on the cylinder. I took to to a gunshop that has a lot of cowboy guns. You have the names confused. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of When it did fire on time I could hit a coke can at 25 yards most of the time. I even got a lee mold to cast mini BP bullet for 36 cal , but cause the bullet was a tad long to fit in cly loading press on the navy,I never tried it thanks Stan. They are two different Italian firearms manufacturing companies. THE BORE IS 45 Caliber; 97% blue, good bore, excellent grips, 10'' barrel, ITALIAN REPRODUCTION OF A "W.MOORE-LONDON" SINGLE SHOT CAP & BALL PISTOL IN VERY GOOD OVERALL CONDITION. WOODEN GRIPS ARE NEAR MINT 45 Caliber; 85% blue, very good bore, very good stock, 10'' barrel, REPRODUCTION KENTUCKY PERCUSSION PISTOL. It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Ill stick to smokeless powder firearms from now on (because Im lazy!). This version features improved accuracy. My neighbor has a deer lease with a very comfortable raised blind. I haven't had a lick of trouble out of it, other than losing the ejector housing screw. And if both Buffalo Bill and Clint Eastwood liked it in different centuries, you know its got to be good. As for the black powder, read the manual, page 10 in mine. 21478. ASM was so bad, even ASM parts seldom fit. WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. View more auctions here. Customer Service. CAS, SASS, Cat: Sharpshooter Used, grip strap wear and shows handling. The Pistol was so designed, that the hammer when cocked, would suck back with it, the remnants of the cap just fired, which more often than not, would follow the principle of Gravity, so ably demonstrated by Sir Isaac Newton, and fall into the Yawning Gap, the cocked hammer revealed, So when the trigger was pressed for the next shot, there would be a sort of, Scrunch, sound, as the cap was chewed up and mashed by the falling hammer, effectivley jamming the revolver! BORE IS GOOD WITH GOOD 36 Caliber; 60% blue, fair bore, good grips, 5'' barrel, REPRODUCTION OF 1851 NAVY REVOLVER. It could definitely be loaded to deer-hunting levels but I just used it to punch large holes in an old oil drum we left against the sand bank at the quarry. If you load it with 30 grains, you get about 200 ft-lbs energy. The 2nd ASM is a Colt SAA clone, the EMF "Hartford" model. There is a wide variance in rifles, and I have seen it claimed that range is no more than 100 yards. Either way, a good dose of lube also helps keep the black powder fouling moist and pliable, and easier to clean out. .44 Cal percussion. 1885 Low Wall Manual. While the patent date of this gun was in 1858, actual production didnt start till after 1861 or so, I think 62. Copyright 2019 sassnet.com Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. THE BORE IS MIRROR BRIGHT WITH MINTY RIFLING 44 Caliber; 97% blue, excellent bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, PIETTA REPRODUCTION OF A COLT MODEL 1860 ARMY PERCUSSION REVOLVER. The other was a blued adjustable-sight Old Army that was just sheer round-ball hilarious to shoot. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of Remington made a cartridge conversion in .46 rimfire, after they ponied up the royalty fee to Smith & Wesson and their fancy-pants bored-through revolver cylinders for metallic cartridges. I have no idea how many guns Ive owned since my first .22 at the age of 12 but in the most fun category I could narrow it down to two. I ended up giving it to an NRA black powder teacher to use for show and tell, (to show his class how to ruin a beautiful piece by not properly cleaning before long term storage). While some parts just dropped right in and worked, the replacement hands needed the most work. THE FINISH IS A STRIKING IRIDESCENT CHARCOAL BLUING WITH A TINY SPECK OF RUST IN FRONT OF THE TRIGGER 45 Caliber; 94% blue, good bore, excellent grips, 11'' barrel, ITALIAN REPRODUCTION "W. PARKER-LONDON" SINGLE SHOT PERCUSSION PISTOL. I found Uberti cap & call cylinders a drop-in fit in both Uberti and Colt 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen Navies and Armies. Stamped on top of octagon barrel "1855 SPAIN". In Iowa, muzzle-loading pistols of at least .44 caliber, with barrels at least four inches long and without shoulder stocks are legal for deer hunting. Remington. .44 Cal percussion. I have been told of caps jamming up a Remington Revolver, but in over Twenty Years of shooting Remingtons, have not had a single jam caused by a cap! Any help would be appreciated. Didn't happen though. WebASM Hammer (1858) Check Stock Price US$38.50 Quantity Item 2 Code 111ASM002 Description Asm Hammer (1863 Pocket) Check Stock Price US$24.20 Quantity Item 3 I was told by the Chiappa folks, they changed the Armi Sport name to Chiappa because of this confusion. I had one of the Pietta 1858 Remingtons and while I enjoyed shooting it and learning about the history and evolution of firearms, the cleaning requirements are intense. A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. I am no authority, but I believe I know the law on this subject. Fordyce Beals knew what he was doing. The only Armi San Marcos gun I have a repro 1858 Remington that I bought in the early 1980s and it works fine. hello again my good friends , I have a couple sets of BP cap/ball one is a mixed set of open top 1-36 navy and a 44 navy/army and the other is a set of 1858 new army is 44 any how was thinkin of pull-in them out of the safe and maybe doing a tune up ,try to soffen those big springs but don't see any thing on them any more , not a mention , were these "junk " guns .? Tops all my Glocks, Berrets, Sigs, ARs, AKs etc. Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. A lot of their workers did not want to move out of town where all the gun makers were located, so ASM lost a lot of their talent which started their quality problems. Very good bore and chambers, with light corrosion present. Check out our forum: The open top revolver needed some work. Now, 155 years later, you can still buy brand new versions of Fordyces design, mostly made in Italy. One good smack on the percussion caps, and BOOM! I remember that ASM was sold to American Western Arms who only produces cartridge revolvers. Web44 Caliber; very good+ bore, good grips, 7.75'' barrel, Pietta .44 caliber Remington 1858 style six shot black powder revolver in nickel plate finish. I got my first 58 Remington in 1989 for Christmas ($99 from Cabelas). Come join the discussion about hunting, fishing, survival, archery gunsmithing, optics, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I did know enough about black powder to use soap and water and clean until the bubbles showed white with no discoloration, but I screwed up and did not fully disassemble the cylinder and firing mechanism and after three months in storage (before and after a move) it was a rusty mess. The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. Definitely a 50-yard whitetail gun. My dad bought one of these (pretty sure its the same thing) with an 8 barrel. Thanks for clearing that up for me Steve, I do know however that the 74's made by the Chiappa are, having problems. ASM was one of the first Italian manufacturers back in 1960 along with Uberti. He knew the early production were quality gun and at some point there was a move and or change of management and quality went in the crapper.